aisha
ok so i think zoos do more harm. animals are stuck in small enclosures their whole life just so we can look at them for 5 min
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vikram_r
but a lot of zoos now are way bigger than before. and for kids its the only way they'll ever see a tiger or an elephant in real life
aisha
they can see it on youtube in 4k honestly
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aisha
seeing it pace up and down in a cage isnt really seeing a tiger anyway
vikram_r
watching on youtube is not the same and you know it lol. kids remember the zoo trip, nobody remembers a video
aisha
ok fair kids do love it. but is a fun day out worth an animal spending 20 years in a small space
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vikram_r
some of these animals wouldnt even be alive without zoos. a lot of them are rescued or injured and cant survive in the wild
aisha
thats a rescue center though, not a zoo. i'm fine with rescue centers
vikram_r
most good zoos are basically both. the money from tickets is what pays for the rescue and the vets
aisha
the good ones maybe. have you been to a small city zoo? i went to one in my hometown and the bear was just walking in circles. it was honestly sad
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vikram_r
ok yeah the small badly run ones are bad, i'm not defending those. shut those down
aisha
thats like half of all zoos tho
aisha
wait time is almost up. extend? i want to get to the breeding thing
vikram_r
ok what breeding thing
aisha
zoos say they breed animals to save them but most of those babies never go back to the wild. they just go to another zoo
vikram_r
some do go back though. i read about some deer or something being released after being bred in a zoo
vikram_r
cant remember which one exactly but it happens
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aisha
it happens sometimes sure. but its a tiny number compared to how many animals are kept
vikram_r
even a small number matters if the species is almost gone. if the zoo didnt exist it would be zero
aisha
you could do that in a proper wildlife reserve without people tapping on the glass all day
vikram_r
reserves cost money too. who pays? zoos get money because people want to visit
aisha
so the animals are basically paying for themselves by being on display. thats kind of my whole problem with it
vikram_r
lol when you put it like that it sounds bad
vikram_r
but i still think its better than the alternative which is a lot of these animals just disappearing
aisha
i dont think its zoo or extinction though. you're making it sound like there's only two options
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vikram_r
fair, maybe not only two. but right now zoos are one of the few things actually doing it
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aisha
doing some of it. while making money off the rest. i still think the harm is bigger